Comments for Lay Forum http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au Open Dialogue and Inclusive Action in the Uniting Church in Australia, Queensland Synod Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:01:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 Comment on What Do We Mean by Lay? by Paul Wildman http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/2009/what-do-we-mean-by-lay/comment-page-1/#comment-4998 Paul Wildman Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:04:06 +0000 http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/?p=72#comment-4998 Geoff agreed. Thanks for your comments. There still however remains quite a marked difference between ministers of the word so to speak and layity. In fact as far as I know there is only one community minister in Queensland. I take your point about no ministers not even members of a church. ciao paul Geoff agreed. Thanks for your comments. There still however remains quite a marked difference between ministers of the word so to speak and layity. In fact as far as I know there is only one community minister in Queensland. I take your point about no ministers not even members of a church. ciao paul

]]> Comment on Post-Christian Exiles - book review by Paul Wildman http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/2009/post-christian-exiles-book-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4408 Paul Wildman Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:53:28 +0000 http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/?p=76#comment-4408 Thanks Paul glad to see my review was of use ciao paul Thanks Paul glad to see my review was of use ciao paul

]]> Comment on Future Church in Action by Paul Wildman http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/action-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-4407 Paul Wildman Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:49:55 +0000 http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/?page_id=12#comment-4407 James this program closed down a few years back - while it was underway it got some great results - pity to see it go ciao paul ps please stay in touch with any more ideas on this or related areas James this program closed down a few years back - while it was underway it got some great results - pity to see it go ciao paul ps please stay in touch with any more ideas on this or related areas

]]> Comment on Future Church in Action by James Rowe Dams http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/action-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-3605 James Rowe Dams Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:35:16 +0000 http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/?page_id=12#comment-3605 What happened to Future Church NZ? Their website has disappeared. What happened to Future Church NZ? Their website has disappeared.

]]> Comment on Models of Social Virtue by Stephen http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/2009/models-of-social-virtue/comment-page-1/#comment-1859 Stephen Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:05:17 +0000 http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/?p=104#comment-1859 I think that it's a bit of a false dichotomy: load Model I up with all of the values, attributes and characteristics that you don't like, and load Model II up with all of those things you approve of. To come back to the stated point of the book rather than discussing models, which may or may not be helpful, let's consider the reasons why people avoid "honest dialogue and learning". In fact, let's consider if "honest dialogue" is a virtue worth having in its own right. You can be as honest as you like and dialogue as much as you want, yet still end up with, let's be gentle about it now, "unsatisfactory outcomes". I think that it’s a bit of a false dichotomy: load Model I up with all of the values, attributes and characteristics that you don’t like, and load Model II up with all of those things you approve of. To come back to the stated point of the book rather than discussing models, which may or may not be helpful, let’s consider the reasons why people avoid “honest dialogue and learning”. In fact, let’s consider if “honest dialogue” is a virtue worth having in its own right. You can be as honest as you like and dialogue as much as you want, yet still end up with, let’s be gentle about it now, “unsatisfactory outcomes”.

]]> Comment on What Do We Mean by Lay? by Geoff Hurst http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/2009/what-do-we-mean-by-lay/comment-page-1/#comment-913 Geoff Hurst Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:09:27 +0000 http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/?p=72#comment-913 I avoid using the word "lay" for all the reasons you have presented within your excellent summary. I prefer to use a word that, in my opinion, has better currency within the UCA. Members. This a word that is important for us as its the best word used to describe us within the basis of union. Within the UCA we have no clergy, we have no laity. We have members. Some are ordained, ie given orders to take up specified roles and responsibilities. But such orders are subordinated to our joint membership to the body of Christ. We are not even members of the UCA in the Basis of Union. We are members of Christ and of one another. This all happens before we apply any pragmatic, theological or ideological lenses or biases to our expression and practice. So I read this forum with interest and gratitude. I avoid using the word “lay” for all the reasons you have presented within your excellent summary. I prefer to use a word that, in my opinion, has better currency within the UCA. Members. This a word that is important for us as its the best word used to describe us within the basis of union. Within the UCA we have no clergy, we have no laity. We have members. Some are ordained, ie given orders to take up specified roles and responsibilities. But such orders are subordinated to our joint membership to the body of Christ. We are not even members of the UCA in the Basis of Union. We are members of Christ and of one another. This all happens before we apply any pragmatic, theological or ideological lenses or biases to our expression and practice. So I read this forum with interest and gratitude.

]]> Comment on GOD and Progressive Religion by Paul Inglis http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/2009/god-and-progressive-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-510 Paul Inglis Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:54:23 +0000 http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/?p=66#comment-510 Many people do experience a personal God, as well as holding to a very clear image of what God is, including a lot of people who do not attend worship services. For others God is love, a very subjective God. I think the church has an obligation, claiming to be God's agent, to be prepared to tolerate a range of perspectives on this matter. No one has the right to impose or prescribe the nature of God. For myself, seeking to know God is a life time experience that I am enjoying. I hope I never, in this lifetime, complete my understanding. Many people do experience a personal God, as well as holding to a very clear image of what God is, including a lot of people who do not attend worship services. For others God is love, a very subjective God. I think the church has an obligation, claiming to be God’s agent, to be prepared to tolerate a range of perspectives on this matter. No one has the right to impose or prescribe the nature of God. For myself, seeking to know God is a life time experience that I am enjoying. I hope I never, in this lifetime, complete my understanding.

]]> Comment on What Do We Mean by Lay? by Paul Inglis http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/2009/what-do-we-mean-by-lay/comment-page-1/#comment-508 Paul Inglis Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:43:47 +0000 http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/?p=72#comment-508 I am really in support of the term 'lay' but not to differentiate from 'ordained'. I see it as a term that allows anyone to have an opinion - the non-professional, the non-practitioner, the non-expert, as well as those who have specialist knowledge. It is important that all voices are heard in an inclusive church and this is a great way to free up and encourage open discussion. I am really in support of the term ‘lay’ but not to differentiate from ‘ordained’. I see it as a term that allows anyone to have an opinion - the non-professional, the non-practitioner, the non-expert, as well as those who have specialist knowledge. It is important that all voices are heard in an inclusive church and this is a great way to free up and encourage open discussion.

]]> Comment on Post-Christian Exiles - book review by Paul Inglis http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/2009/post-christian-exiles-book-review/comment-page-1/#comment-507 Paul Inglis Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:40:00 +0000 http://www.layforum.unitingchurch.org.au/?p=76#comment-507 Great review Paul, You have certainly stimulated me to seek out this text. Thanks. Paul Great review Paul,

You have certainly stimulated me to seek out this text. Thanks.

Paul

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